K Johnson
Moderator
1166 posts
Mar 24, 2010
10:57 AM
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Continue with comments here please.
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barbie
2 posts
Mar 24, 2010
11:29 AM
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@ clay. I am not sure if my last blog got posted, so here it is again. As being one of the young women who was arrested that saturday morning at the roadhouse, it is nice to know that someone, besides myself and my other cellmates, know that we were wrongfully treated. I am not here to put down the RCMP, but I am here to point out the fact, that when all these fights were going on myself, and fellow arrestee's were not the dangerous people. Along side being arrested, spending the night, and alot of the next day in a cell with no way to wash the peppersrray off of my face was less than delightful. I do know the RCMP are here to do a job; to protect and serve, but part of me wonders if they are starting to border on bullying..
thank you
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icetitanV1.2
2539 posts
Mar 24, 2010
1:05 PM
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The Victoria Police Department is investigating its own officers after a violent arrest was caught on camera and posted to YouTube.
Police spokesman Sgt. Grant Hamilton says officers responded to a fight involving eight males early Sunday morning. He says when police arrived on the scene, they found one man being kicked in the head and ended up taking six others into custody.
But the 56-second YouTube clip appears to show one officer repeatedly kicking a man who's already been restrained.
The officer then yells at another male to get down on the ground and when the man complies, the officer and a fellow policeman allegedly kick him in the stomach and back.
Video can be found here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnwi6wO03As
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SheBop
140 posts
Mar 24, 2010
1:26 PM
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Holy Cow! I just watched that video, Ice, and it gave me the chills! Talk about a picture being a thousand words!!
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Oscargal
397 posts
Mar 24, 2010
1:29 PM
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Yeah, this was on the news this morning... I realize there are a lot of people in the RCMP who are good at what they do and love what they do, but just like any other profession there are bound to be people who are poor at what they do. I think it sucks that when something goes wrong within a profession, then everyone in that proffession gets slammed. Look at the lawyer jokes etc.
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dusted4eva
6 posts
Mar 24, 2010
10:07 PM
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Tom Roy
29 posts
Mar 25, 2010
12:24 AM
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With regards to dusted4eva's comments regarding the police's response to domestic violence and motor vehicle accidents while the members are having their coffee break are incorrect. Domestic Violence is one of the highest priority and highest risk calls police respond to and no police officer in his right mind would fail to respond to a domestic violence call immediately when summoned too.
The mere suggestion that police sit around and ignore calls for service or assistance from the public is incorrect and unfortunately with regards to domestic violence may send the wrong message to a victim of domestic violence that they should not bother calling the police as they won't respond or will take their time responding. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you have a bone to pick with the police, that's fine, but please do not use issues such as domestic violence to spread misleading information about the police response. If you are the victim of violence in a relationship, DO NOT HESITATE TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE, we have a zero tolerance for this type of behavior and will respond promptly, day or night.
If I may, I would politely suggest that if dusted4eva is that interested in what the police are discussing over coffee they simply come over and join us that way when posting their next blog they are assured to get their information correct.
Thank you very much,
Tom Roy
FN RCMP
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dusted4eva
8 posts
Mar 25, 2010
7:06 AM
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KJH
1 post
Mar 25, 2010
8:34 AM
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I think this is a matter of people's family being treated unfairly by the authorities that they have relied on in the past to protect them and then feeling angry and lashing out. I wrote the Letter to the Editor in the paper and everything I wrote was written truthfully and I am absolutely disappointed in the actions of the police this past weekend, as is my whole family and circle of frineds, especially my husband who even though wrote the truth realizes that he maybe should not have done it in this venue.
I was a restaurant patron when the police responded as being too busy to attend a motor vehicle accident, this happened about two years. All the people in the restaurant at the time looked at each other in disbelief. But as my husband said there are bad apples in every bunch. The other incidents were heard from friends who were there at the time of the events.
But these incidents are not what we are most concerned about, it is what happened last Friday night outside the Backroads.
It is becoming increasingly difficult for the citizens of Fort Nelson to trust the RCMP to be there when they are needed, and to have faith that they will act in the best interests of the law-abiding people in our wonderful little town, especially the young people in our community who are indeed our future.
I for one would no longer feel comfortable calling an RCMP officer if I felt I was in trouble and once again as my husband said we have been law-abiding citizens of Fort Nelson for 16 years and counting.
I would also like to tell everyone that there is a place where you can submit a Complaint about a Police Officer. It is http://www.cba.org/BC/public_media/criminal/220.aspx and I would encourage anyone who has been mistreated by a police officer, or has seen anyone else mistreated to file a complaint.
I do believe that there are wonderful police officers in our town who do an excellent job and I in no way am saying that all RCMP are bad apples, that is not my intent. But when a person decides to be a police officer they MUST realize that it includes dealing with all kinds of people, and that usually means that these are not the law-abiding ones. And they have to be able to do their job without prejudice and always using discretion and their badge does not give them the right to mistreat people in any circumstance. And if they are not able to do this, then they are in the wrong profession.
I have absolute admiration for a police officer who can do his job with respect and honor, and I also believe that if a police officer like anyone else does something unlawful they should be accountable, and that is what this Complaint Website is for.
I also realize the police officers are only human, like the rest of us, and they can make mistakes and misjudgements, especially in extreme circumstances, but mistakes and misjudgements can be easily fixed and become wrong when it is continued.
Please submit your complaint on this website, http://www.cba.org/BC/public_media/criminal/220.aspx, if you were there on Friday night and saw what really happened.
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K Johnson
Moderator
1177 posts
Mar 25, 2010
8:48 AM
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Now thats a heartfelt post. Thank you KJH and welcome to fortnelsonstuff!
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lovelymiss
264 posts
Mar 25, 2010
8:49 AM
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I find it very interesting that in this week's Fort Nelson newspaper, there wasn't the usual police beat as I am used to seeing each week. Instead there was an article that took up 2 pages and went quite in depth as to what transpired at the Backroads last weekend. I'm used to seeing reports on DUI's, 24 hours, and domestic violence responses. It seemed to me as though the RCMP decided to "justify" their actions that night by reporting all details of what occured, instead of just a quick quip on the police beat. Apparently nothing else illegal went on in town last week...hmmmm
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Ashley
21 posts
Mar 25, 2010
9:08 AM
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regarding the issue about police not responding to calls, perhaps it was a one time thing because there have been times when my family and I went to the Fort for breakfast, and sat at the table next to a group of RCMP, ive heard them recieve a call (dont know what it was for) and all of them got up and left their food on the table, so maybe like you said it was a few bad apples who refused to respond.
However a number of years ago, my hubby and I were walking home from a friends house at about midnight, when we saw a quad with 2 young girls on it coming towards us on the sidewalk. They clearly didnt want to go around us and it all happened so fast that we both had to jump out of the way to avoid being hit by this quad. They then went a ways down the road, turned around and came back at us again! Same thing, we had to jump out of the way! We continued walking and crossed the road (the sidewalk ended on the one side and continued on the other) and low and behold we heard them again! This time my hubby was so pissed at these young girls that he decided to put his arm out, he didnt care if he broke his arm or not, he had enough of their stupid behaviour! So when they got close they saw this and swerved around him. We immediatly had enough and called the police on our cell phone and reported what happened. We went home and went to bed, 5 hours later the phone rang, it was the RCMP asking where abouts this was as they just now went out and couldnt find anyone on a quad. Well of course, 5 hours later they wouldnt still be there!! That made me mad, never did find out who they were!
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KJH
2 posts
Mar 25, 2010
9:14 AM
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Thanks Ken, you don't know how important it is to our family right now to know that there are people that support us. Thanks again, I really appreciate the sentiment.
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lovelymiss
266 posts
Mar 25, 2010
9:23 AM
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KJH...I am presuming the reason the RCMP took up the whole police beat to defend their actions that night at the Backroads, is because they were told about the Letter to the Editor that you had written to the newspaper, and thought they had better respond by giving "their side of the story". I have heard stories from other what really occured that night, and I hope your family is vindicated!
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Ashley
22 posts
Mar 25, 2010
9:37 AM
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Wasnt all of this captured on video camera as stated by the police? maybe someone should review it so the right actions can take place! KJH I hope your family is able to get somewhere with this issue, keep pushing to get justice! <3
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Sarah13
5 posts
Mar 25, 2010
10:33 AM
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Ashley- Regarding you comment about the girls on the quad. I had the same thing happen to me while walking my dogs one night. Two young girls on a quad were on the sidewalk and would not move, i had to jump out of the way and they almost ran over my dogs. They didn't even slow down. But i think that is more the parents that don't teach their children to respect others and move when there are people on the sidewalks.
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boogaloo
73 posts
Mar 25, 2010
10:37 AM
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End result... Like I said before... people need to be responsible for their actions... whether they are in a place of authority or not. Drinks go in witts go out... People need to get back to the days of going out and having fun and going home at the end of the night.
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invincible87
6 posts
Mar 25, 2010
4:18 PM
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Agree, boogaloo. Just for clarification in regards to the quads, what do you expect the police to do about it? Run after a quad? We all know quads can go places trucks certainly can't. I think your anger is misdirected and should be directed at the stupid girls on said quads.
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Rubber Ducky
108 posts
Mar 25, 2010
4:37 PM
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@invicible87 the cops have their own quads up here im sure they could use them to catch these reckless youngsters
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Mista Stuff
4 posts
Mar 25, 2010
4:42 PM
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you know i hate to say it but now a days no matter what town you live in the cops are corrupt to a certain point.
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Rubber Ducky
109 posts
Mar 25, 2010
4:47 PM
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what do you mean by corrupt?
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CDNFIREFIGHTER
13 posts
Mar 26, 2010
11:15 PM
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The Cops are Corrupt? They don't answer domestic calls? Thier side of the story?
When I think of the RCMP and the job that they do, I remember a line by an old time Goalie who used to get sick before every game because of nerves. A reporter asked him why that happened and he answered; How would you like it if everytime you screwed up at work you had 12,000 people see it, a guy put a red light on and everyone boo at ya!
The RCMP were thrown into a situation behind a bar at night with a whole lot of drunk people already agitated and in some cases fighting.
Do ya think they might be a little tense?
Would you go stick your nose in there?
If ever there was a call to ignore, that one would have had my vote.
To place the whole issue on the back of the RCMP, who with initially 2 members, responded to what could have easily become a bad situation is simply wrong.
It works like this: act like reasonable people, No Police, don't be drunk and stupid in public, No Police, don't fight outside in the middle of the night, No Police!
Where is the responsibility of the bar for serving the drunks, (No offence to the bar or any bar), or of the persons drinking, or of the friends that went with them.
It's not the role of the Police to remind you of your responsibility to act like an adult. But if you so choose to act like a hooligan, put yourself in a position to be in a place where bad things are happening, the expect Police to do what has to be done.
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Jim Beck
49 posts
Mar 28, 2010
1:20 PM
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Well, well, well, here we have another violent act because of the use of alcohol. Lets see if they were just smoking grass, what would have happened? Everyone would have laid on the couch, filled their faces, and fell asleep quietly! Oh and did you say domestic violence? Throw that out the window with the rest of the alcohol and lay on your couch in total peace? Which one do you think should be illegal? Duh they are legalizing it in California while we dumb Canucks are still pondering our alcoholic demises. Another shot for the good guys!
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MotherEarth
306 posts
Mar 28, 2010
2:56 PM
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Smoking weed does not stop violence. I know a guy who smokes that stuff several times a day, and yet he still beats the cramp out of his GF every few months. These people who are violent are violent not just under substances, it's just the way these people are. Don't count this as a shot for the good guys, the people who do drugs are not "good guys" they are people who have no care for the laws of their country. This is just gross.
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Jim Beck
50 posts
Mar 28, 2010
3:05 PM
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Boy you never give up it must be lonely in your world there mother earth. You would have done well in the Fifties. Alcohol does cause violence just ask any nurse that works in the hospital here and ask them how many people go there a year over marijuana. Yes the answer is none. Oh by the way they are legalizing it in
California, we aren't far behind. I didn't say that smoking weed stops violence but it sure doesn't create it like alcohol does. Wake up mother earth, you are in the twenty-first century. People who smoke marijuana do care about their country just some of the laws are stupid and outdated. Oh did you know that its illegal to gallop your horse through the streets of Fort Nelson. I f you did crack cocaine when you were younger and quit, good for you but please don't place marijuana in the same category as the rest of the pills and man made drugs. Thank you mother earth and I hope that you wake up sometime soon
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MotherEarth
307 posts
Mar 28, 2010
3:22 PM
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Our Prime Minister is very against the legalization of marijuana, and that makes me very happy. Ask the nurses how many people enter there for a 24 hour dry out, also ask them to ask those people how many of them smoke marijuana, most people aren't so honest about their use of the drug. You sir need to wake up, cause the way I see it, it may be the twenty-first century but you are stuck in the 60's.
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Jim Beck
51 posts
Mar 28, 2010
4:39 PM
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Your right but I never had a problem with crack cocaine or any other drug for that matter. By the way of all the questions asked of the Prime Minister the legalization of marijuana was by far the top question and guess what yes I voted him in and I was a member of the Conservative party until the utube issue. I burnt my membership card and now will be voting probably liberal just over that issue. Yes by the way Jay Hill is very worried about that very issue. He's a smart man and knows that it will bring the conservatives down. But you will see the prime minister do an about face on that issue. He has no choice as Canadians are fed up with the marijuana policy. Anyways this will be my last reply on the fort nelson blog. My woman thinks that its just a waste of my precious time oh and she really thinks that your a bright one. Good luck with your cocaine rehab mother earth.
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MotherEarth
308 posts
Mar 28, 2010
5:59 PM
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Whats with the name calling? I never called you a name? Why imply that I have an issue with the use of drugs? I don't do drugs and I don't agree with the use of drugs. Yes, I experimented when I was a teen. But now I am one to fight strong and stand against it. I don't care if I am the only one in the room who thinks that drugs (all drugs) are bad. I choose to live a clean and healthy life, I refuse to even use Tylenol, a clean body means a clean mind. I do drink on a rare occasion, but that is in itself very rare. Turns out I'm allergic, yeah, who knew. I'm not saying that people shouldn't use Tylenol, I just choose not to.
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Little_Boo
53 posts
Mar 28, 2010
7:12 PM
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You know Jim as someone who has grown up around plentiful quantities of marjuana, have family members that do it or did do it, family members and friends that have grown it and know a little something about marjuana in regards to healthcare, I am a little sick of people such as yourself having no regards for the fact that marijuana is a drug and can be very harmful.
Not only have I seen it as a gateway drug to cocaine, heroine, methamphetamines and such but I have also seen the result of it in violence. Not everyone is mellow and just wants to eat cheezie poofs when they are high, people have there minds altered when they smoke pot because it is a mind altering drug.
Sure they can legalize it, but I hope they tax the hell out of it. I also don't want to be around it at all, you bet I will be on the bandwagon to make sure that it is not seen or smelled just like I don't want to with cigarettes.
I know you will have some half-baked diatribe for me in response but I know you won't remember it later because you have smoked half your braincells away. Good job, way to go!!!
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Little_Boo
54 posts
Mar 28, 2010
7:15 PM
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Sorry to everyone else for being so glum and throwing a few negative comments out there but marijuana has had a huge negative impact on my life and many other lives that I know.
Medicinally I think it is ok but that is it. People given a licensed to sell it for medicinal use are fine but those that abuse it should be ashamed of themselves.
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Fallacy_detector
6 posts
Mar 29, 2010
3:58 PM
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First off WOW! Such a huge debate about a bunch of drunken idiots!
Now my personal experience with bar brawls (both as patron and bouncer) is they are insane,chaotic and anyone hits anyone, uses any weapon and when the cops show up...get the hell outta there or you might be in jail.
Or as a bouncer 'Thank GOD! Back-up has arrived!'
Usually when the cops show up the brawl is in full swing, they don't know what happened or who started what and honestly, don't care. They are there to keep the peace and go home alive. As well as make sure everyone else gets home alive...
ANYONE caught instigating, provoking, fighting etc. Goes in the truck. You yell "hey PIG" you go in the truck, you spit on em, into the truck, swing at someone, into the truck you go for a cold cold night in the cells.
Now after it's over, if you are calm and polite...they may let you out of the truck to go home. If you are rude. You get the cold cold cell.
This is the way it works.
Did people really try to escape the cop car? That's a serious level of drunk to try that.
I walked out of a bar one time, and people were shooting at each other. The crowd watched. Seriously!
I ran like hell, got into my car with my friends, drunk, drove the wrong way down a one way street and prayed the cops caught me cause it was a lot safer that way.
What happens if the cops and bouncers aren't there to pull people off other people? To stop the fights?
I guess my point is drunk idiots put themselsves in dumb spots to have bad things happen. I have been that drunk idiot. But i sucked it up, cause I made the dumb choices, and didn't get people who weren't there to plead my case all over town.
To be fair sometimes cops are dicks, petty and waaay to into thier jobs and do bad things (the Victoria one looks pretty brutal) but I don't think that's the case here.
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SheBop
151 posts
Mar 29, 2010
4:10 PM
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I really agree with you on that one, Fallacy. Sometimes it is a case of being in the wrong place and the wrong time and sometimes words and actions are misinterrpreted and there you are, in the thick of it!
P.S. Ken - really love the Easter baskets and that little bunny!!
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invincible87
7 posts
Apr 01, 2010
1:44 PM
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Also strongly agree with Fallacy
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snowy
1 post
May 15, 2010
11:55 AM
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To Tom Roy, what exactly is the RCMP's definition of domestic violence? Is it based upon the crime or the conclusion reached by police?
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Tom Roy
44 posts
May 16, 2010
12:42 AM
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The definition of Domestic Violence has 1000 defintions in a 1000 juristictions, it's different everywhere, it's extremely convoluded and is interpreted differently around the world.
Domestic Violence, or known by it's official description (Violence in Relationships - VIR). VIR is not confined to just violence, it also includes the threat of violence. VIR goes both way's in a relationship and is not restricted to just to female victims, men can also be the victims of VIR. However female victims will usually be given the benefit of the doubt as they are not usually the aggressor and are more vunerable and less able to defend themselves from a physical assault.
This is typically what will happen when police receive a report of VIR. Police will attend and if their is any evidence that there has been physical violence the aggressor if identified will be arrested for domestic assault. If both male and female were fighting, the stronger, usually the male in most cases will be arrested by police and taken into custody. However that does not mean that the female is immune from criminal charges of assault if she participated or initiated the incident and there is evidence to support this.
Example: a man tells his spouse he's going out for a few drinks with the boy's. She becomes upset and grabs the truck key's and tries to hide them. He grabs her and twists the keys out of here hand, pushes her aside and leaves. She calls the police, police attend and she relates what happened. Police go to bar and arrest her spouse for domestic assault. He is taken to police office and barring there no previous history of VIR between these same persons he will be released on his undertaking to appear in court for assault with conditions not to have any contact with his spouse to prevent further incidents. If there is a history of violence and he has assaulted his spouse previously the police will seek to keep him in custody to prevent further incidents and protect the victim.
As everybody might not be aware VIR has become a very serious common event not just confined to traditional people (male/female) in long term relationships. VIR now encompasses every type of relationship there is from teen relationships, same sex, long term, elderly, etc, etc. Due to some terrible incidents of VIR over the past few years where entire families have been wiped out, most governments have enacted very strong VIR legislation to protect victims. The police have virtually no discretion or wiggle room when addressing or investigating reports or incidents of VIR, there is virtually no gray area anymore. If there is any evidence at all that there was VIR, somebody, usually the male is going to gaol. If the police arrive at the scene of a reported VIR and the female say's he hit me and he say's he did not, he's going to gaol and will be charged with assault. It may seem unfair, but the follow-up investigation may confirm his claim and vindicate him, if not it will then be up to the crown prosecutor to weigh the evidence and merits of the case and determine if it will proceed to court, if it does proceed to court then it becomes the courts duty to determine if an assault occurred.
Hope this provides some clarity, if not let me know.
Tom Roy
FN RCMP
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It's_OK_2_B_nice
14 posts
May 16, 2010
10:23 PM
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I hate to add to this mess, but I actually was a civilian RCMP dispatcher. There are some intensely loyal and well serving members, and my hat is off to them...BUT... I witnessed with my own eyes (no heresay) members high in rank who used to like to go back into the provost cells (where we held people awaiting trial) and the drunk tank (self explanatory) and just kick the shit out of some unsuspecting person in custody. Why?? Some are just like that, they join to fulfill some unresolved control issues in themselves. They are NOT the majority or even the norm, but rest assured - they are out there... for real. sorry Tom, just speaking from personal experience.
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snowy
4 posts
Aug 29, 2010
7:19 PM
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to Tom Roy...since when does the RCMP believe they are smarter than a Dr.....when a Dr. writes a report to the Rcmp, pay attention as you are not smarter than a Dr. What do you have before training...grade 12?
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snowy
5 posts
Aug 29, 2010
7:50 PM
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It is very difficult for a victim of abuse to be listerning to her Dr. speaking in anger that the RCMP "supressed my statement"
How dare you to override the opinion of a Dr.
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Northern Paul
132 posts
Aug 29, 2010
8:14 PM
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heh? dare I ask...
wazz up snowy - yur making no sense.
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snowy
6 posts
Aug 29, 2010
8:25 PM
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I was in a terrible emotional and physical abusive relationship also being financially abused as I was recently widowed....the man who near beat me to death and had abused my daughter was believed by the RCMP even though the Dr. who treated me furnished the police with his opinion about the assault, the RCMP decided to believe my accusor and turned my life and that into my daughter into a nightmare until fornesic psychiatriste psychologists, crown counsel, judges, advised me to sue the RCMP
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snowy
7 posts
Aug 29, 2010
8:40 PM
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His name is Gordon XXXXXXX
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snowy
8 posts
Aug 29, 2010
8:52 PM
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the way I look at it. is perhaps I should have stayed with him and allow him to kill us both as they believed him....poor guy, I hear he assaulted again and is now in an extended care.....he can harm noone agine
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snowy
9 posts
Aug 29, 2010
9:42 PM
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wanna hear what Crown Counsel or the Judge had to say as my court appearances were In Camera
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lovelymiss
412 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:02 AM
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I'd be careful posting names on here snowy!!!
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K Johnson
1926 posts
Aug 30, 2010
11:09 AM
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Thanks for the heads up lovelymiss!
snowy..please do not post names like that...you'll get me in deep bovine scathology!
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Caring
4 posts
Aug 31, 2010
11:35 AM
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I work as a Stop The Violence Counsellor out of the Fort Nelson Aboriginal Friendship Society, because you see the word aboriginal in this writing does not mean, I work with only aboriginal people. My point is with the high rate of Violence In Relationships (VIR) in this community and area and with the economy on the rise, VIR will also rise.
Please do not shut the doors of the help the RCMP can do. If you are having a challenge with a certain police office, take the time to go to the RCMP office and make an appointment to discuss this problem with Tom Roy. Mr Roy has always been open to listening and if it must be, bringing action to a complaint, after a thorough search on this complaint. I am saying keep the doors open for those that need the help in a VIR case. Thank you, Rose-Marie McLeod
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snowy
14 posts
Sep 03, 2010
12:26 AM
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Yeah, I was put in a choke hold damaging my throat and complained about it....Wilson who choked me stated that I had kicked him in the balls so he choked me....he was behind me and I didn't touch him nor would I as I had Ptsd from the rcmp and did all I could to get away from them....of course, he was believed by the internal investigators but not by Crown Cownsel nor the Judge.....that was in Fort Nelson yes, you have your work cut out for you
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Northern Paul
137 posts
Sep 03, 2010
4:24 AM
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something's not adding up SNOWY. you said you didn't touch him nor would you as you had pstd, but then you said that you did all I could to get away.
You need to get over it it. I am not believing you either.
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icetitanV1.2
3339 posts
Sep 03, 2010
6:56 AM
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The less a man says at present the more apt he's likely to look in retrospect.
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Donna_A
627 posts
Sep 03, 2010
9:14 AM
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Northern Paul,
I find your comment "get over it" to be appauling. I was abused by my ex husband. Not severely, but none the less abused. He bench pressed 375lbs, a smack by him sent you flying. It is not something you "get over".
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