Tom Roy
28 posts
Mar 09, 2010
10:26 PM
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I have been following closely the recent online debate surrounding the possession, use, distribution and or sale of Marijuana under the topic of "escort services", unusual place to find a debate on Marijuana.
Without getting caught up in the moral, passionate and heated debate on whether Marijuana should be legalized in Canada or not there are a couple of points I believe should be addressed within this greater debate.
Right now the possession, use, distribution and or sale of controlled drugs, including Marijuana in Canada is unlawful, there's no debating or arguing that fact and until our legislators change the law it will remain an illegal substance to possess, use, distribute and or sell.
Having said that the Government of Canada through Health Canada Licenses have granted a number of Canadians the rare privilage to cultivate, possess and use Marijuana for genuine medical conditions where science has supported that the use of Marijuana does have proven clinical bemefitd for people afflicted with certain medical conditions.
However and rather unfortunately some of these people who have been granted this rare privilage or who have associates who have been granted this rare privilage abuse it for no other reason than to enrich themselves. There are some Health Canada Marijuana License holders that are abusing this privilage by selling medicinal Marijuana to the general public for nothing more than pure social enjoyment and getting high while those people who actually require the Marijuana for genuine medical reasons do without because the profits to be made selling it to the general public are not regulated and are considerably much more lucrative to the seller. I find it rather disturbing when I read or hear about people wrapping themselves in the cloak of Marijuana morality and championing themselves as the defenders of the sick and afflicted's right to use Marijuana to aleviate their suffering whilst all they are really doing is unlawfully trafficking in Marijuana to anyone who wants it and is willing to pay the price to enhance their own personal pleasure by getting high.
The police and courts in British Columbia already exercise considerable discretion when it comes to the simple possession of Marijuana. However when the police come into possession of information that illgal drugs, including Marijuana, especially medically licensed Marijuana is being unlawfully trafficked to the general public and is finding it's way into the hands of young people you can expect the police are going to take a keen interest and act swiftly when the opportunity presents itself. Trafficking Marijuana especially medically licensed Marijuana to the general public in order to enrich yourself is reprehensible and a crime and those persons that do it and get caught need not complain and blame the police, the government, the media and everybody else for their error in judgement. They may instead wish focus their efforts towards lobbying their legislators to change the current laws with regards to the possession, use, distribution and or sale of Marijuana.
Thank you,
Tom Roy
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K Johnson
Moderator
1098 posts
Mar 10, 2010
6:06 AM
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Thank you for your input SSgt Roy!
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mx-oldtimer
186 posts
Mar 10, 2010
6:22 AM
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Could you be more condescending?
I find it odd that the RCMP feels the need to justify it's actions on a local blog? Can we expect this public airing of dirty laundry for every arrest the RCMP feels may not be be clearly obvious?
I notice how a new thread was started, so, thought was given about prejudging a case that is still before the courts. I would surmise Mr. Beck's lawyer could find grounds to have this case dismissed, if for no-other reason that, it appears as if the RCMP are trying to sway public opinion on this matter.
Question: How many of these local youths died as a result of Marijuana use? None, you say. How many died while operating unregistered ATVs, either intoxicated, or without a helmet?
I can recall in another condescending post you mentioned it was the reason we needed to register all ATV vehicles. The thing is, you also mentioned a need to interpret the municipal bylaw that bans the use of ATVs on city streets, with a grain of salt because, as you put it: Fort Nelson is an ATV town.
So if the community feels it is alright to lose one or two youths a year due to rider negligence, inexperience or intoxication, then you will quell your need to "protect" these same youths. To heck with what the law states.
The war on drugs has failed. Simply falling back on the RCMP's tried and not so true method of in-acting the "chicken-little" plan is an affront to everyone's intelligence.
Quick-note: The local RCMP knows who I am (various reasons) and ironically they will be tasks to do a background check on me anyhow, as my brother is contemplating taking a job with their HQ in Ottawa. So I am not simply sitting back and taking anonymous pot-shots.
Last Edited on 10-Mar-2010 6:29 AM
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icetitanV1.2
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2420 posts
Mar 10, 2010
6:25 AM
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So Corey Haim is dead of a drug overdose.
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mx-oldtimer
187 posts
Mar 10, 2010
6:31 AM
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He died of an overdose a long time ago...It has just taken a few attempts to make it stick.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2421 posts
Mar 10, 2010
6:51 AM
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Pot is too complicated for me. Bongs,hookahs,the rolling paper,pipes etc etc. I just stick with painkillers and booze. All natural here man.
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K Johnson
Moderator
1099 posts
Mar 10, 2010
7:07 AM
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My crutch is spaghetti and meatballs. Maybe a beer with it...
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2422 posts
Mar 10, 2010
7:34 AM
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Mexican food, no question about it. I friggin love taco's and enchiladas. Like seriously. I'll look up videos of em on youtube.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2423 posts
Mar 10, 2010
7:45 AM
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Anyone know if the tru-north guy (Wayne I think his name is) is allright after getting an ass whipping by another tru-north guy at the card lock 2 days ago?
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lovelymiss
242 posts
Mar 10, 2010
8:56 AM
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Interestingly enough, I find myself agreeing with mx-oldtimer on this one. Why is the RCMP commenting to the general public about an arrest made for trafficking marijuana, when the case has not yet been to court? And while there are no names mentioned, the inference to whom the comments are about is quite clear.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2426 posts
Mar 10, 2010
9:03 AM
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I dunno. Didnt sound like he was referencing a particular case. More the rcmp's policy on the misuse of medical dope as a whole. But that could be an inference on my part.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2427 posts
Mar 10, 2010
9:04 AM
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Why not make all drugs legal? Everything from beer to black tar heroin. Would weed a lot of stupid out of the population.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2428 posts
Mar 10, 2010
9:09 AM
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In my expierince there are two types of people that use drugs. The first type uses them for what they are meant for. Relaxation and recreation. These people use drugs succsesfully and have normal lives.
The second is the type of person wherein the drug use becomes the focal point of their entire life and they are decimated because of it.
I know many people who use hard drugs on weekends or holidays and then go back to their jobs all week with no ill effect.
I dont for a second by into the crap about the "disease of addiction" total crap. Even worse are people who say they have a gambling or sex addiction. You dont. What you have is poor impulse control.
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terry
3 posts
Mar 10, 2010
9:46 AM
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ice if you weeded out the stupid people first you wouldnt have to worry about drugs or alcohol
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2429 posts
Mar 10, 2010
10:01 AM
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Its hard though. A lot of the time you cant tell a person is stupid by just looking at them. You have to wait for them to say or do pretty much anything.
The new kid at our shop was telling me about a women who got into her car, accidentally dropped her keys as she was getting in and the car doors locked. She ended up calling On-Star to explain that she had locked her keys out of her car.
Im sure she looked normal.
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SeanahR
Moderator
554 posts
Mar 10, 2010
10:27 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbX_I_lrmIc
listen to this gem.
KJ: The human population never ceases to blow my mind!
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budha
22 posts
Mar 10, 2010
10:40 PM
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Jim Beck, how does it make you feel for me to announce that there are several children smoking and selling weed as young as 7years old in Fort Nelson? I know you are a newer resident to this town and obviously have the nerve to voice YOUR rights of opinion, but then have the nerve to "bash" the FN news because you can't tell your side of the story! You should be ashamed of yourself!! I have lived in FN for over 30 years and have been through my youth and teenage years here, there wasn't stores like yours for us to access pipes, bombs, advertising of drugs (flags) or a weed! Maybe this is the reason our youth at 7 years of age are introduced so young! We have lost the right to allow our children to walk to the corner store to buy a slushy because of Your store next door! Maybe you should go back to where you came from cause it doesn't sound like you are off to a very good start! Good job to the Rcmp.... Now only hope for the legal system to pull through.....decorating for St. Patricks day ..... Jeesh....anything to post pictures of green weeds to the window for our kids to see!
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budha
23 posts
Mar 10, 2010
10:42 PM
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Sorry bout the grammer mistakes..... If anybody has used an iPod to type they would understand!!
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mx-oldtimer
189 posts
Mar 11, 2010
5:27 AM
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What an offensive post. Budha if your seven year old is smokin' dope you are the problem.
Budha how do all those kids, in those great big cities avoid becoming potheads? Education.
I missed your rant about teenage alcohol abuse, amongst many FN residents. How do you manage to go to Fields or the grocery store with that booze store selling the devil's brew.
You have to laugh at the righteous-indignation of some people, right-up until they face the police-state they wish for.
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budha
25 posts
Mar 11, 2010
7:04 AM
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No, its not my 7 year old, like I mentioned before, I am not a user and DID NOT use growing up, but I didnt have access like these youth have today.....sorry, maybe I should have clarified that MX-Oldtimer.....
Each to their own, if you want to sell, smoke, grow, whatever the case, then do it, but when KIDS as young as 7 years old as caught with it, THE TOWN has a problem!! Maybe we can start at the SOURCE! Obviously, the kids are getting it from people too stoned to give a *hit! I did not come on here to be bashed, just thought I would EDUCATE my fellow neighbors on the subject, so I am signing off, I have no more comments.....you guys can bash and blame all you want.....truth hurts!
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me
18 posts
Mar 11, 2010
7:57 AM
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Budha you said that growing up here in FN that you weren't stores to access pipes, bongs and such then you must not have seen the flagman that sells flags, coats and scales, pipes out of his van. No it's not a store, but it's still accessable to kids, unlike Jim's store where you have to be 19. The flagman has been coming here for years. If kids are smoking weed at 7 they are hanging out with the wrong kids and the parents need to be paying more attention to what their kids are doing and who they are hanging out with. Kids can find drugs of all kinds anywhere if they really want it.
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mx-oldtimer
190 posts
Mar 11, 2010
7:57 AM
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Budha. All you did was bash someone. Anonymously at that.
So you are saying that, if you had access to drugs as a seven year old, you may have felt compelled to experiment? That is a very cynical comment, and I don't even know you or any of your perceived weaknesses. Give yourself and your parents more credit.
Your decision to abstain from the use of marijuana was due to the values imparted upon you as a child. The foundation for independent yet sound teenage decision-making, regarding the abuse of either alcohol or drugs, is laid, by it's caregivers, not Big-Brother.
This is the age of the internet. If you haven't formulated an action plan, that attempts to address the constant barrage of conflicting messages your impressionable child deals with on a daily basis, then you are fighting a losing battle, before it has begun.
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Ashley
18 posts
Mar 11, 2010
8:20 AM
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The way I feel about this issue, is that people are going to do what they want to do, if a teen wants to buy a pipe, whats to stop him from ordering one online or getting one rom out of town or even making one of his own?
You have to trust that you have given your children enough information to make the right decisions in life, you cant hold his hand and make his decisions for him his whole life, at some point he needs to decide. Kids have the word NO in their vocabulary, they should know how to use it. I was a teen once and trust me, ive had my fair share of peer pressure thrown my way, but if i didnt want to do something, i damn well said no to it. This is what you need to arm your kids with.
My parents are pretty relaxed and easy going and all around cool, in my opinion. They let me be me, gave me their thoughts and support. I had a friend whose parents were polar opposites of mine, she did anything wrong and she was grounded, was never allowed out to do anything and guess what she did the first chance she got? Thats right! Got mixed up with all the wrong people, didnt know how to say no to drugs, alcohol etc, because she felt that she needed to rebel against her parents. My parents told me that in the end it was my choice to do these things, they knew they didnt want me doing it but if i wanted to i would find a way. And guess what, that worked, i didnt have anything to rebel against!
So i guess what im saying is so what if there is a store selling pipes and accessories?? Your child needs to be the one to say no to it!
Last Edited on 11-Mar-2010 8:22 AM
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Taz
13 posts
Mar 11, 2010
8:32 AM
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Budha... you said that you have lived here for 30 years? i think that Jim Beck might have a few years on you.apparently you lived a shelterd live growing up in fort nelson
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K Johnson
Moderator
1110 posts
Mar 11, 2010
8:49 AM
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This message board can be a rough place Budha...
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icetitanV1.2
2439 posts
Mar 11, 2010
9:42 AM
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How are 7 year olds getting enough money for weed? When I was 7 if I had enough for a bag of chips AND a pop I was a high roller. Unless the kids stole it from their folks.
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Ashley
19 posts
Mar 11, 2010
11:07 AM
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Times have changed Ice, the kids these days have so much more then what we had! I guess living in fort nelson and having both parents likely working good high paying jobs, it would make sense the kids would have more dough!
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Jim Beck
30 posts
Mar 11, 2010
1:36 PM
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First of all Budha , I moved to
Fort Nelson in the winter of 1975. So I have been a resident here on and off for 35 years. My two children were both born in the hospital here. My oldest is straight and here kids are straight. My son is a goalie coach in Edmonton and he has never smoked grass in his life. I never smoked or drank in front of my kids but after my son had an alcohol overdose when he was sixteen in Williams Lake, I changed my attitude towards alcohol.
I challenge you to go to the hospital and ask our frontline nurses about the patients that come in for drugs or alcohol. Ask them how many patients are in there because of marijuana. Then you tell me the answer, although I already know what it is. Now I have a store that I sell tobacco products in the open and of course pipes and bongs and vaporisers in the same store. You may find alot of things in this store but the one thing that you wont find is minors. So I will end this defence of myself at that. By the way I probably know your dad and mom there budha as I know most of the long time residents here. I am not mad at you and I think that you have your right to your opinion but I think when you say something such as Ken Johnson does and Staff Sgt. Roy and I do, we give our name with our statement. We dont hide behind Anonymous
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Jim Beck
31 posts
Mar 11, 2010
1:48 PM
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Oh by the way have you guys heard of the legal drug called Salvia that makes you lose you mind for ten to fifteen minutes after you smoke it? Guess what you wont find it in my store! Just cause the government says its legal doesn't mean that its good for you and frankly this drug really worries me.
Yours truly
Jim Beck
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The Mike
579 posts
Mar 11, 2010
2:41 PM
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That Salvia is crazy. I personally know a dude who smoked it and immediately pissed himself while he was in dreamland. Can't be good for the ol' brain cells. I've seen all sorts of it sold in convenience stores, definitely shouldn't be legal.
As for drugs as a whole, I believe too much of anything is a bad thing, including weed. Sure it possesses great qualities but chronic and long-term use is not healthy. I've never had a personal problem with people who do use it on a daily basis though, most likely because they're always pretty laid-back, lol. I'm not condoning it either, to be clear. There is a time and place for everything and I believe people can use it with some form of control, but it certainly isn't the best example for our children and there comes a time when people need to point the finger at the real source, imo, the parents. Whether it be weed, alcohol, or any harmful substance.
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Never do anything you wouldn't want to explain to the paramedics.
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Tire Tracks
19 posts
Mar 11, 2010
5:55 PM
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I think all Tom Roy did was highlight the law in his post and not comment directly on any pending legal dispute.
IMO, if you are going to walk that fine line, you have to be prepared to fight for what you believe is right, and that is what Mr.Beck now has to do.
In a community of 5000 people and your selling bongs full time..........you have to figure that you are going to get a visit from the cops time to time.
And as long as MJ is illegal, its something that probably wont go away.
Legalize it, tax the hell out of it and reduce my personal income tax, thats my dream.
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MotherEarth
282 posts
Mar 13, 2010
1:01 PM
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It took me awhile to get through that post...such bad spelling and grammar. Hope you can give up the chronic soon bubbles1977.
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K Johnson
Moderator
1150 posts
Mar 18, 2010
8:45 PM
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Any more input on this thread?
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K Johnson
Moderator
1151 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:10 PM
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Very well then. I would like to comment.
I've never been into drugs of any sort. That's not to say I haven't experimented. In fact, most would likely be surprised to know some of the things I've "tasted" in my life. Nothing ever stuck with me though. None of it ever really impressed me much except maybe one...My wife and I went to Amsterdam in 1988 I think. Even the restaurants in that country have two menu's. One for food and drink, the other is a menu for different types of hash. The menu lists the least expensive to the most. My lady and I just for the hell of it, decided we would take part and chose something about half way down the menu. I don't recall exactly what it was called, but it may have been something like "Rhiene blond"...so anyway, along with our food, we ordered that as well. It was I guess, about 1/2 ounce. It came with a little pipe to!
We ate and then along with everyone else in the restaurant, lit the pipe. To try and make a long story short, my wife began to giggle alot! Then, she took off all her clothes...Although it was certainly entertaining to bystanders (she was pretty good looking), that was the last time I ever smoked drugs...
I guess what I'm trying to say is, if doing drugs enhances your life, carry on. For me, doesn't do it.
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Donna_A
237 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:28 PM
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Haha, That must have been some mighty good hash. I've used it a few times in my younger years and it never made me take my cloths off.
I think its a to each his own. I do think you should have to grow your own and you shouldn't be able to sell. And if your underage and get caught your in trouble, just like alcohol.
30 years ago when I was a kid, my neighbor sold pot. He was 10. When i was 13 myself and many of the kids my age smoked pot here in town. Used to get stoned then go to the dances in the basement of the Catholic church. So those who think kids using drugs is a new thing here in town, your sadly mistaken.
KJ: "I've used it a few times in my younger years and it never made me take my cloths off".
That's not what I heard!
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Donna_A
238 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:34 PM
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And if the usual person comes and posts after myself and starts condemning me for what I did when i was young, I hope you have the balls to say who you are before you start yapping and make it a fair playing field.
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Life is tough ...It's even tougher if you're stupid.........
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Donna_A
239 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:35 PM
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HAHA Ken,
Dam I should use a fake name like everyone else, dam rumors. LOL
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Life is tough ...It's even tougher if you're stupid.........
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K Johnson
Moderator
1152 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:38 PM
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You know I'm just joshin Donna..ur my fave.
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Donna_A
240 posts
Mar 18, 2010
9:39 PM
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I know. Who else could you get to say Yes so many times. LOL
KJ: Donna?
DA: Yes?
KJ: HA!!
Last Edited on 19-Mar-2010 5:18 AM
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K Johnson
1978 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:39 AM
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In the News today:
Fort Nelson Resident Jim Beck was found guilty of drug posession with intent to traffic and sentenced to 1 year in jail and a 10 year ban on fire arms.
KJ
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mx-oldtimer
325 posts
Sep 09, 2010
6:59 AM
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So basically he plead it down to a trumped-up possession charge; because with time served in remand, he will be already on his way back to FN.
Kinda makes you wonder about the resources expended to fight the war against pot.
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icetitanV1.2
3360 posts
Sep 09, 2010
7:25 AM
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I was reading this article on the ny times site that was talking about how mexico is considering legalizing pot to curb the drug related deaths there. Oddly enough they are waiting on a proposistion in California to allow pot for recreational use that is being voted on Nov 2nd.
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budha
26 posts
Sep 09, 2010
7:28 PM
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Ha! Take that Jim Beck...enjoy your year behind bars!
One less dealer off the streets!
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K Johnson
1989 posts
Sep 09, 2010
7:31 PM
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Budha...time already served (approx 2 months)with good behavior...Jim is likely at home already...or will be likely within 2 months. It's the system man...
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Tom Roy
57 posts
Sep 09, 2010
9:52 PM
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Actually Mr. Beck was not convicted of a trumped up possession charge. By way of a plea agreement Mr. Beck plead guilty on August 18th to (4) counts of trafficking in a controlled substance after selling Marijuana to undercover police officers.
There may be those of us who disagree with the current drug legislation when it comes to Marijuana, however we must keep one thing in mind. Until the laws change, the cultivation, possession and distribution of Marijuana in Canada is still illegal and police will continue to target those individuals who ignore this fact and or attempt to derive their livelihood from the illegal drug trade.
Full details of the investigation were provided earlier today by way of a News Release to the FN News.
Thank you,
Tom Roy
FN RCMP
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K Johnson
1991 posts
Sep 09, 2010
9:58 PM
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Tom, if you could release that to our radio station, that would be appreciated.
I would like to do a talk show with you regarding the new laws/regulations regarding impaired driving.
May I call you and set up a date and time?
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