trendless
2 posts
Feb 28, 2010
4:12 PM
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1: Read @ Canada.com
2: Discuss!
Last Edited on 28-Feb-2010 4:13 PM
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icetitanV1.2
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2361 posts
Feb 28, 2010
5:25 PM
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Wont make a difference. Cops are just as fallible and corrupt as any other job. They just have the benefit of carrying guns and having everyone beleive whatever they say, no matter what. well except this place
www.rcmpwatch.com
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2362 posts
Feb 28, 2010
5:28 PM
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How many rcmp officers were sent home from the Games and how many were fired for misconduct? More than the one chick busted shoplifting in whistler on her off hours. At the cost of a billion dollars we had 6000 rcmp officers on cruise ships at the games and the allegations of the sex trade workers, being brought on board to the 8 sent home and 6 fired are a little wild.
Last Edited on 28-Feb-2010 5:30 PM
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2363 posts
Feb 28, 2010
5:34 PM
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Or not. I was hungover and did a half assed job at my work last friday.
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Tom Roy
26 posts
Mar 04, 2010
11:27 PM
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Simply amazing, icetitanV1.2's comments no matter what topic is being discussed, icetitanV1.2's comments never cease to amaze me. As far as "cops are just as fallible and corrupt as any other job". Fallible yes, we're human fallibility is part of human nature. Corrupt, not so fast, icetitanV1.2 you may wish to use a smaller paint brush when painting or insinuating the cops are just as corrupt as any other job, I'm sure a lot of those people in those other jobs might also take exception to being blindly painted with your cynical paint brush of corruption. The vast majority of working Canadians in my experience are honest, dedicated hard working folks that don't deserve or fit the definition of corrupt.
Contrary to icetitanV1.2's comments Cop Camera's do very much make a difference. Camera's started appearing in police vehicles 25 years ago and within the next few years every police vehicle in the country will have one. Most police office cellblocks and booking area's have full CCTV systems so it only makes sense that police officers would be the next in line to be equipped. The RCMP and several other Canadian Police forces are currently testing "Cop Cam's" right now for a trial period and there is no doubt the day is coming much like other juristictions around the world when every cop on the job is going to be equipped with one. Why?, next to actually being there in person when something happens a camera and microphone are the next best thing, that's why they are called the "silent witness". A camera and microphone provides the best indisputable evidence in court. It protects both the police and general public by rolling back time and allowing the courts, the media and general public to actually be there and view / witness what transpired.
With regards to the Olympics, considering there was approximately 8000 police officers and 4500 military personnel on duty I don't think the fact 9 or 10 were sent home for stupid behavior means the rest of us automatically get painted with the same brush. Considering those 8000 police officers and 4500 military personnel successfully orchestrated the largest security operation in Canadian History while the remaining police and military remained at home and abroad picking up the slack and carrying on with our daily chores. The allegations of sex trade workers being brought on the police cruise accommodation ships is just that, allegations absolutely nothing has been substantiated to date.
Not one single police officer or military person has been fired as the result of inappropriate behavior at the Olympics. If someone is alleged to have behaved inappropriately while on duty at the Olympic's, depending on the transgression there will be an investigation followed by due process whether it be internal discipline or through the courts.
Thanks
Tom Roy
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2404 posts
Mar 05, 2010
6:58 AM
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While the Royal Canadian Mounted Police’s standing as one of the world’s all-time great police forces remains intact, in recent years its image has been tarnished. Yet the Force continues to have its internal disasters, exposing the organizations weaknesses and outdated management practices.
The RCMP, the federal police force of Canada, is the only major Canadian police force without a truly effective and independent oversight body.
RCMP members hold the extraordinary legal authority to limit civil liberties and so must to be scrutinized to the same or a higher standard used to investigate those they suspect of criminal wrongdoing. When they are found at fault, they too must be held accountable.
Also I was pretty hammered watching the closing ceremonies.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2405 posts
Mar 05, 2010
6:59 AM
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I am gonna get a ton of parking tickets now:)
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lovelymiss
240 posts
Mar 05, 2010
8:48 AM
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I think it's a good idea for when an incident occurs with one our RCMP members, that the incident is investigated by an outside party, and not internally. Makes sense, no?
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2406 posts
Mar 05, 2010
9:25 AM
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It should but oddly enough its not the case with the RCMP. Well there is an outside body but they have no ability to effectivley do anything. Like Tom said, by and large they do an awesome job but they should be held to a higher or at least similar standard when there are problems instead of none at all.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2407 posts
Mar 05, 2010
9:27 AM
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The Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP does not have any legislative powers over the RCMP. While the CPC can and does make findings and recommendation to the RCMP, the Commissioner is not obliged to accept the recommendations.
And while the CPC’s Vision Statement is “Excellence in policing through accountability,” the RCMP has refused to cooperate with numerous CPC investigations and has often refuses to comply with it’s recommendations
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Casper
358 posts
Mar 05, 2010
9:46 AM
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Without going into details, I can confirm that there are indeed camera's in the local RCMP office. Cell block, booking area, among others. As well I know that at least one of the RCMP vehicles is equipped with a camera.
While I have mixed feeling about camera's I will admit that by having them installed it leaves little to the imagination, thus protecting both the RCMP and the general public.
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mx-oldtimer
183 posts
Mar 05, 2010
10:47 AM
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I think it is in-appropriate for a senior member of the local detachment to comment on a thread that is so obviously loaded.
After recent, less than stellar PR-fiascoes and the subsequent attempt to manipulate the "findings",the Citizens of Canada have been left to demand a better evidence gathering method, than the officer's post-event notes.
This is about "credibility", simple as that. An officer's testimony in Canada has been sacrosanct since the RCMP's inception. Now it has withered away until we are left with the honest members requiring a personal camera to protect themselves from the unethical practices that continue to erode the credibility of the entire force. Whose fault is that?
Unfortunately,the "bad-apples" seem to be molly-coddle and shipped off to obscurity, while the PR arm of the RCMP, practices a most professional form of obfuscation.
If some of the public demonstrates a slightly cynical view of the entire police force, then it is up to that very capable PR-arm to re-burnish what has sadly become a tarnished image. It is a sad fact that the rank-and-file of the RCMP must simply pick-up their chins,suck-in their guts and ride-out this low-point in what has otherwise been a highly-decorated organization.
Regardless what most people say, I would suspect that we would all like to return to being proud of the RCMP, and I am sure we all will again.
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Tom Roy
27 posts
Mar 05, 2010
12:57 PM
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mx-oldtimer, has completely missed the point, new global police technology has nothing to do with what the RCMP does or does right or wrong. This kind of technology has been around and evolving for over 25 years long before the "recent fiascoes" involving the RCMP and other police services. This type technology did not come about because of police indiscretions but because the entire world of policing and society has changed and evolved. Even if every police officer and police service on earth were perfect in every way this type of technology would still be implemented. Not because police can't be trusted, but because this type technology is clearly a better and most efficient method of doing business, kind of like the introduction of electricity. As I stated previously it serves and protects society, the police and public to a much higher standard than without.
As far as public oversight of the RCMP, what the media reports is one thing what is reality is another. The RCMP has for well over a decade supported and lobbied for civilian oversight as not one of us in the RCMP enjoys investigating one of our peers, we would all gladly hand complaints against police to an independent oversight body to do if we had a choice, but currently in most provinces we don't have that option that's why presently we request another police agency to step in an assist investigating complaints against the RCMP. We already have enough demands on our time with our day to day policing responsibilities without also having to investigate ourselves, investigating ourselves takes away from our primary responsibility of our daily policing duties. When the media continually states the RCMP resists independent oversight they are simply blustering and pandering to all the police critic's and civil liberties groups. Civilian independent oversight of the RCMP will be in place very soon much to the delight of the RCMP, I hope by the end of 2010. The federal government in it's budget yesterday committed $8 million dollars over the next two years to establish an independent civilian oversight body to address complaints against the RCMP.
Oh, there is absolutely nothing inapproriate with a member of the RCMP commenting on this issue as a member of the RCMP and community resident.
Thank you very much,
Tom Roy
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Casper
359 posts
Mar 05, 2010
1:31 PM
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Thank-you Tom for your comments. I for one, appreciate the time you take to give specific detail to all of your comments. I really don't think there is anything wrong with a member of the RCMP being able to comment on an issue that specifically involves the RCMP! Loaded or not!
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Rockie
29 posts
Mar 05, 2010
2:43 PM
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Here here! Keep it up Tom.
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2409 posts
Mar 05, 2010
2:43 PM
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Didnt William Elliott say the RCMP will no longer allow Mounties to investigate themselves in cases involving the death or serious injury of suspects on Feb 6?
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2410 posts
Mar 05, 2010
2:44 PM
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Which I imagine would be a relief to officers.
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mx-oldtimer
184 posts
Mar 05, 2010
3:07 PM
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The reason I felt it was inappropriate to comment was because it isn't fair to pick and choose when you will offer a comment.
As the senior officer had no-comment to offer when all the posts about the in-custody deaths were aired, I think adopting a pollyanna disposition about their current state of affairs, only plays well to choir.
Why the denials that the cameras are anything other than the RCMP finally been forced to acquiesce to, as they call it decades old technology? Why herald finally adopting a program that you so eloquently informed us, is common-place all over N.America?
The RCMP has no-credibility with their ability to properly evaluate any new technology. Two computer systems, that are not compatible yet continue to cost untold millions to the taxpayer, not too mention any data regarding "excited-delirium" and Tasers.
Don't get me started. My point was this thread is too hot for anyone but the official-mouthpiece of the RCMP to offer any misinformation.
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Casper
361 posts
Mar 05, 2010
3:46 PM
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I have and always will have the upmost respect for the RCMP. Do I agree with some of the things that have come to light the last few years, certainly not. Do I beleive these things will be fixed, you bet, but like anything else involving any level of Government, or multi levels of Government, its going to take time.
Last Edited on 5-Mar-2010 3:46 PM
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icetitanV1.2
Moderator
2411 posts
Mar 05, 2010
4:00 PM
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It seems like they are heading in the right direction according to the article. An oversight comitee that can compel the rcmp to produce documents and force them to answer questions.
http://www.rcmpwatch.com/maher-arar-among-those-cautiously-welcoming-reform-in-rcmp-oversigh/#more-2433
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trapper
143 posts
Mar 06, 2010
6:18 AM
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I think police cameras are a good idea. Tom Roy stated, "next to actually being there...they are the next best thing." Right. So no more of he said she said type of behaviour. If the RCMP are in the right, it will show up instantly. If they are in the wrong, it will show up instantly.
The only concern would be who would be in control of the cameras. Would the officer be able to turn them on and off at will? Plus who will monitor the cameras? ( to determine inapropriate behaviour) Do we get the wolf to look after the sheep?
I am reminded of the incident in southern B.C. a couple of years ago. A young man, charged with impaired driving, jailed for the night, and while being released, shot in the back of the head in the police station. The station did have cameras, but they "malfunctioned" just before the incident. The officer in question had access to the control panel for the cameras, he and the victem were alone in the station. That camera, working properly, would have told the world once and for all what actually occured in the station. Instead we have to wonder if something else occured, and we will never know.
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Trapper
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Rubber Ducky
91 posts
Mar 06, 2010
6:01 PM
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Oh i think we all know,I think the cameras would be there more to benifit the rcmps side of the story not to help us win cases.
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Jim Beck
42 posts
Mar 12, 2010
5:00 PM
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all I have to say is that I"m not going to watch a hockey game in Houston B.C.
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K Johnson
Moderator
1122 posts
Mar 12, 2010
8:00 PM
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I want to state here that I appreciate SSgt Roy's willingness to even read this website, never mind that he's willing to engage in message board conversation. Over the years, I've had the honour of getting to know him a little. He's what I consider to be an excellent police officer and leader. Tom Roy takes the time to go on radio with me if I call and ask him. I sat with Tom once and chatted. I got the distinct impression that Tom really only wants whats best. Here's the poop...his job..is to keep people safe! I have no doubt that SSgt Roy will be an excellent Inspector.
I also appreciate the dialogue in this thread from all contributors.
Last Edited on 12-Mar-2010 8:06 PM
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icetitanV1.2
2459 posts
Mar 12, 2010
9:37 PM
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Birthday party is in full swing. Rest assured I wont be driving or even thinking to a great extent (hold your jokes). On a side note I'm sure Tom's comment that I'm using for my Sig was posted more in the "this guy is a clueless idiot vein other than the "this guy is so awesome I need to deputize stat" vein but I'm going with it anyway.
And that's the second time I flout the laws of English and do parenthesis inside parenthesis
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Simply amazing, icetitanV1.2's comments no matter what topic is being discussed, icetitanV1.2's comments never cease to amaze me.
-Tom Roy, RCMP
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K Johnson
Moderator
1123 posts
Mar 12, 2010
9:55 PM
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I had to read that 3 times...
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Donna_A
228 posts
Mar 12, 2010
9:59 PM
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hahahaha, me too. Ice quit drinking and posting. And I have to admit, some of your comments are amazing. lol
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Life is tough ...It's even tougher if you're stupid.........
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K Johnson
Moderator
1124 posts
Mar 12, 2010
10:04 PM
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Donna?
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Donna_A
229 posts
Mar 12, 2010
10:13 PM
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yes? hahahaha
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Life is tough ...It's even tougher if you're stupid.........
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K Johnson
Moderator
1125 posts
Mar 12, 2010
10:18 PM
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Thanks D..I so love that.
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Casper
372 posts
Mar 13, 2010
8:50 AM
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There should be a law against drinking & blogging!!!!!
KJ: I saw you driving to work Casper...
Last Edited on 13-Mar-2010 9:02 AM
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Casper
373 posts
Mar 13, 2010
9:44 AM
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Are you stalking me??????????
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trapper
146 posts
Mar 13, 2010
4:58 PM
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I have always thought the RCMP motto was to "protect and serve".
I just wish it was to protect the citizen from the government and to serve the citizens who pay the wages.
Just a thought.
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Trapper
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